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Pro Say is a weekly podcast from Law360, bringing you a quick recap of both the biggest stories and the hidden gems from the world of law. In each episode, hosts Amber McKinney, Bill Donahue and Alex Lawson are joined by expert guests to bring you inside the newsroom and break down the stories that had us talking.
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Friday, May 29, 2020

Ep. 152: COVID Crimes Crackdown

Over the past few weeks, federal prosecutors have launched a wave of criminal cases accusing people of trying to take advantage of the COVID-19 pandemic. On this week’s show, we’re breaking them all down, including a New Jersey car salesman who sold price-gouged masks and a New York City man who tried to get millions in relief loans. Also on this week’s show, a big environmental ruling from the Ninth Circuit that could set the stage for a new rush of climate change cases filed in state courts.

Full Show (Runtime: 24:36)

Friday, May 22, 2020

Ep. 151: Will COVID-19 Shrink The Lavish BigLaw Office?

COVID-19 has forced BigLaw firms to abandon their opulent offices and transform their lawyers into remote workers, pushing many firm leaders to question the enormous price they pay for high-end real estate. Joining us this week to discuss is Law360’s Brandon Lowrey, who will break down what the post-pandemic law office might look like. Also this week: A looming eviction crisis in New York City housing court; accusations of “pandemic profiteering” as Uber and Grubhub consider merging; and a federal judge who refuses to stop quoting movies in his opinions.

Full Show (Runtime: 40:43)

Friday, May 15, 2020

Ep. 150: ‘The Last Trial’ With Scott Turow

Best-selling author Scott Turow practically invented the legal thriller, and his latest novel “The Last Trial” hit bookshelves this week. We talk with Turow about his legal career, why capturing the nuances of the law is so important to his writing, and what it means to say goodbye to one of his most beloved characters. Also this week: a big ruling on President Trump’s emoluments problem; a bizarre turn of events in the criminal case against Michael Flynn; and a ruling that strip clubs must also receive stimulus cash.

Full Show (Runtime: 47:40)

Friday, May 8, 2020

Ep. 149: SPECIAL GUEST - Judge Rakoff Talks COVID & The Courts

Manhattan federal judge Jed Rakoff joins the show this week to discuss the many challenges facing the court system in the era of social distancing, ranging from urgent prisoner release requests to the often unwieldy process of holding hearings over the phone. Also this week: The notoriously silent Justice Clarence Thomas keeps chiming in during high court’s teleconference arguments; the U.S. Women’s soccer team’s equal pay lawsuit suffers a blow; and the gang plunges the depths of the Supreme Court’s toilet-flushing mystery.

Full Show (Runtime: 40:02)

Friday, May 1, 2020

Ep. 148: COVID Tracing Might Get Pretty Orwellian

The end of social distancing will likely mean the start of unprecedented new public surveillance, putting efforts to halt new outbreaks on a collision course with basic civil liberties. Joining us this week discuss the complex legal problems that lie ahead is Law360 reporter RJ Vogt. Also on this week’s show: Accusations that a lawyer threatened to release confidential information about WilmerHale and Toyota; a Supreme Court ruling that averted a “pay-per-law” system; and a truly unfortunate Lynyrd Skynyrd cover performed by Ohio’s attorney general.

Full Show (Runtime: 42:30)

Friday, April 24, 2020

Ep. 147: The Legal History of the 1918 Flu Pandemic

The 1918 flu pandemic is the closest historical precedent for our current crisis, and it produced a slew of interesting court rulings — dealing with teachers who were denied pay, botched medications, and a triple homicide that led to a groundbreaking Supreme Court ruling on police misconduct. On this week’s show, we’re taking you through all of them. Also this week: The latest high court showdown over “stare decisis”; a cannabis company files a pioneering bankruptcy case; and a Florida attorney who refused to keep his pants on.

Full Show (Runtime: 38:31)

Friday, April 17, 2020

Ep. 146: Please, Put On A Shirt For Video Court Hearings

A judge in Florida has an urgent plea to attorneys during the coronavirus pandemic: Please put on a shirt before logging in to a court hearing via videoconference. On this week’s show, we’re talking about that attire warning and about how it’s really not that hard to put on a shirt. Also on this week’s show: 3M launches a legal war against mask price-gougers; employment attorneys struggle to keep up with the wave of unemployment claims; and experts predict a wave of malpractice lawsuits after the crisis subsides.

Full Show (Runtime: 32:13)

Friday, April 10, 2020


The U.S. Supreme Court has issued its first ruling dealing with COVID-19, refusing to postpone Wisconsin’s election. On this week’s show, we’re breaking it down: The decision, the blowback, and how the court might rule on future coronavirus fights. Also this week: A brewing legal battle over how insurance applies to the businesses shuttered by the pandemic; chaos and confusion reign as immigration courts stay open during the crisis; and a New Jersey attorney who faces social-distancing criminal charges over a Pink Floyd tribute concert.

Full Show (Runtime: 39:10)

Friday, April 3, 2020

Ep. 144: Coronavirus, Zoom and 'Tiger King'

After a brief hiatus, the Pro Say podcast is back with a brand new episode. On this week’s show, we’re talking about how lawyers and courts are continuing to grapple with the coronavirus pandemic; a class action against Zoom that claims the suddenly-ubiquitous service isn’t keeping personal information safe; and the many, many lawsuits involved in Netflix’s “Tiger King.”

Full Show (Runtime: 39:17)

Friday, March 27, 2020

Legalization Ep. 3: The Red Tape Problem

Due to the coronavirus pandemic, the Pro Say podcast is on a brief hiatus. In its place, please enjoy the third episode of Law360 Explores: Legalization, our look at the perils, pitfalls and promise of legal cannabis. As states open their doors to marijuana, they have to figure out the rules to govern it. On this episode we take a trip to California to explore that state’s efforts to control a booming industry — and why some business owners say it is pushing them to stay illegal.

Full Show (Runtime: 24:21)

Friday, March 20, 2020

Legalization Ep. 2: Dangerous Cash

Due to the coronavirus pandemic, the Pro Say podcast remains on hiatus. But check out the second episode of Law360 Explores: Legalization, our look at the perils, pitfalls and promise of legal cannabis. It’s no secret that many cannabis companies have had trouble getting a bank account. We explain just why that is -- and the lengths some businesses are going to get away from cash.  

Full Show (Runtime: 24:12)

Friday, March 13, 2020

Legalization Ep. 1: The Boogeyman In The Tax Code

Due to the coronavirus pandemic, the Pro Say podcast is taking a brief hiatus. In its place, please enjoy Law360 Explores: Legalization, our look at the perils, pitfalls and promise of legal cannabis. In the first episode, we tackle a single sentence in the U.S. tax code that targets marijuana businesses and saddles them with a crushing tax burden. Hear how a relic of the War on Drugs is making it really hard for cannabis entrepreneurs to get off the ground.

Full Show (Runtime: 30:40)

Friday, March 6, 2020

Ep. 143: How The Legal World Is Confronting Coronavirus

Law firms, law schools, and the court system are all preparing for the impact of the global coronavirus outbreak – whether that means cancelling partner meetings, closing campuses or clearing courtrooms. On this week’s show, with the help of guest Natalie Rodriguez, we’re breaking down every aspect of what this generational health crisis means for lawyers and their clients.

Full Show (Runtime: 30:34)

Friday, February 28, 2020

Ep. 142: Too Big To Avoid Malpractice

Dentons, one of the world’s largest law firms, was recently hit with a $32 million malpractice verdict over a conflict of interest, raising serious questions about the firm’s international structure as a “Swiss verein.” This week, we'll talk about the case and about whether firms should rethink this global structure. Also this week: The judge in Roger Stone's case sticking up for jurors; former clerks of the late Ninth Circuit Judge Stephen Reinhardt calling out a system that keeps sexual harassment concealed; and a remarkable reversal by a prosecutor that stunned the Third Circuit.

Full Show (Runtime: 31:55)

Friday, February 21, 2020

Ep. 141: When Law Students Unite, BigLaw Listens

A groundswell of activism at the country’s elite law schools has already forced a number of BigLaw shops to abandon controversial employment agreements as students have seized upon their unique leverage within the industry. We’re joined this week by Law360’s Massachusetts court reporter Chris Villani to discuss the student-led movement that has put BigLaw on notice. Also on the show: Apple owes back pay to its employees over security checks; the Third Circuit considers holding Amazon liable for defective third-party products; and a federal judge sees nothing funny about a company responding to litigation with ‘LOL.’

Full Show (Runtime: 37:09)

Friday, February 14, 2020

Ep. 140: Thrown In Jail Over Medical Debt

Debtors’ prisons are supposed to be a thing of the past, but a spike in medical debt and aggressive legal tactics by collectors are increasingly exposing cash-strapped patients to arrest and jail time. We’re joined this week by Law360 reporter Jack Karp to break down the growing problem. Also this week: A lawsuit over the New York City real estate market’s dreaded “broker’s fee”; a judge who called out corporate “hypocrisy” over the use of forced arbitration agreements; and a special Valentine’s Day segment about a weirdo who sued his girlfriend for dumping him.

Full Show (Runtime: 39:19)

Friday, February 7, 2020

Ep. 139: When Coronavirus Threatens The Workplace

As the coronavirus ravages central China and stokes fears of an outbreak, employers are beginning to consider steps to ensure their workplaces remain safe. But there is a delicate balance to strike, as some of those well-intentioned steps could leave businesses on shaky legal ground with their employees. Joining us to discuss a raft of legal issues stemming from the virus is Law360’s senior employment reporter Vin Gurrieri. Also this week, a federal appeals judge calls out the government’s use of PACER fees; the Trump administration moves to bust up Schick’s acquisition of shaving startup Harry’s; and two attorneys’ attempt at a “Weekend at Bernie’s” reboot falls flat in the Second Circuit.

Full Show (Runtime: 37:38)

Friday, January 31, 2020

Ep. 138: Crooked Lawyers & Porn Stars

News of hush money payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal rocked the White House and eventually led to the downfall of President Donald Trump’s former attorney, Michael Cohen. We are joined this week by the Wall Street Journal’s Joe Palazzolo, who broke that story and has co-authored a new book that dives deep into the world of Trump’s “fixers.” Also this week: Martin Shkreli finally gets his day in court...again, and K&L Gates is hit with a discrimination lawsuit for firing an employee with ADHD.

Full Show (Runtime: 34:39)

Friday, January 24, 2020

Ep. 137: GRAMMY SPECIAL - Law360’s Legal Mixtape

In honor of this weekend’s Grammy Awards, we’re talking about the best songs involving the law — from Jay-Z's lesson on the Fourth Amendment to Bob Dylan's calls for clemency to Johnny Cash's frequent brushes with the legal system, plus many more. To listen to all the songs on Law360’s Legal Mixtape, check out our Spotify playlist. Also on this week’s show: Barstool Sports quietly concedes defeat over union-busting threats, and a federal appeals court splits over gender pronouns in court records.

Full Show (Runtime: 30:02)

Friday, January 17, 2020

Ep. 136: Weinstein On Trial

The first major criminal trial of the #MeToo movement is underway, as disgraced Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein stands trial in New York on charges of rape. To explain how we got here and what to watch, we’re joined this week by Frank Runyeon, who’s in the courtroom covering the case for Law360. Also this week: A “clickbait defamation” lawsuit filed against the New York Times; another arrest for once-ascendant lawyer Michael Avenatti; and a real-life request for “trial by combat” in family court.

Full Show (Runtime: 00:00)

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